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Fw: [Columbofilos Portugueses] Europigeons, we sell pigeons for workingman...

Glenn West — 2012-02-14T13:23:51Z

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From: Jan de Wijs
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:20 AM
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Subject: [Columbofilos Portugueses] Europigeons, we sell pigeons for workingman...

Jan de Wijs posted in Columbofilos Portugueses.
Jan de Wijs 5:19am Feb 14
Europigeons, we sell pigeons for workingman prices!!!!

In the town of Den Hoorn, the Netherlands lays Europe's Number 1 in fixed price pigeon sales www.europigeons.nl. Europigeons has been established for a number of years now, and is growing fast with partners in South Africa, The United Kingdom, Malta, France, China, Bangladesh, Croatia, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, The Middle East, Norway, Philippines, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Taiwan and the United States.

At Europigeons fanciers have a wide choice when looking to buy birds. Fixed price pigeons for sale on the website vary from Short distance sprint pigeons, Middle Distance pigeons, all round pigeons, and Long Distance pigeons, Pigeons with results or even 1st Prize winners. As well as mature breeding pigeons for sale Europigeons offer a range of fixed price young bird kits for all types of racing.

Many fanciers that already have approached Europigeons.nl for new blood have been very happy with the pigeons they have chosen and have achieved top results with them. You can see on the pictures the quality of the pigeons that we as a team send out on a daily basis. Every year the Europigeons team export over 3000 birds all over the world.

Across Europe in Auctions pigeons reach soaring prices and many of these go to the Far East which means it is much harder to obtain good quality pigeons for a modest price. At Europigeons.nl there are no auctions, no false bidding to get extra money out of pockets of the fanciers, for promotion reasons. The fanciers behind the company belong to the best in Holland on the Long Distance races. This way we make it easier to obtain pigeons directly from the best pigeons in Europe.

Please keep in mind that not all birds we have on stock are listed at our website. Is the pigeon or strain you are looking for not listed? Don't worry, just contact us, we are sure we can help you anyway...

Jan de Wijs Jr.

www.europigeons.nl
Zwethkade Zuid 29b
2635 CV Den Hoorn
P: +31 610746683 (Office hours GMT +1)
F: +31 174 295484
E: sales@europigeons.nl
I: http://www.europigeons.nl/
http://www.europigeons.nl/
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Fw: [Racings pigeons] In addition to traditional reference, such as...

Glenn West — 2012-02-13T20:12:19Z

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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:59 AM
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Subject: [Racings pigeons] In addition to traditional reference, such as...

é»ƒéŽ®åƒ posted in Racings pigeons.
é»ƒéŽ®åƒ 11:59am Feb 13
In addition to traditional reference, such as racing result, pedigree, apperance inspection, we have,through analysing/digitalizing of eyes of pigeon with aid of computer, since 1980, developed a computer program for selection and paring of racing pigeons as this photo shared.

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Fw: [P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO] PPSC Team - Legaspi Lap

Glenn West — 2012-02-13T13:36:25Z

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From: Aaron Alday Claudio
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:35 AM
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Subject: [P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO] PPSC Team - Legaspi Lap

Aaron Alday Claudio posted in P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO.
Aaron Alday Claudio 8:35am Feb 13
PPSC Team - Legaspi Lap

14. 111057 PPSC Team Lower Maricaban OLR BB H 11:20:10,9 1 1,310.189 - Leo Saygo
22. 110951 PPSC Team Malibay OLR BB C 11:20:17,8 1 1,309.610 - Vincent Benito
43. 111023 PPSC Team Upper Maricaban OLR DCWTWF H 11:31:59,6 1 1,253.292 - Vichael Amable
141. 110937 PPSC Team Upper Maricaban OLR GRIZZLE H 12:15:20,9 2 1,080.986 - Randy De Leon
153. 110752 PPSC Team Malibay OLR SILVER H 12:20:57,3 2 1,062.103 - Iman Valdez
154. 111033 PPSC Team Malibay OLR BC H 12:20:58,8 3 1,062.020 - Bombie Samson
210. 110928 PPSC Team Lower Maricaban OLR BB C 13:14:47,4 2 909.542 - Danny Torres
225. 111071 PPSC Team Bernard Topacio OLR DC H 13:52:09,0 1 827.095 - Bernard Topacio

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Fw: [<>PANKHI nd ARMY FAN CLUB<>] Day by day this man (Mahmudul Hasan) gain himself...

Glenn West — 2012-02-13T13:30:41Z

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From: Arif Khan
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Subject: [<>PANKHI nd ARMY FAN CLUB<>] Day by day this man (Mahmudul Hasan) gain himself...

Arif Khan posted in <>PANKHI nd ARMY FAN CLUB<>.
Arif Khan 1:09am Feb 13
Day by day this man (Mahmudul Hasan) gain himself to the Pigeon world... very nice collection... Thank you hasan for best and top quality...

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Fw: [P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO] Mount-Sea One Loft Race

Glenn West — 2012-02-13T06:05:45Z

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From: Aaron Alday Claudio
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Subject: [P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO] Mount-Sea One Loft Race

Aaron Alday Claudio posted in P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO.
Aaron Alday Claudio 8:02pm Feb 12
Mount-Sea One Loft Race
2011 Series Race
Legaspi Race (Lap 1)
13-Feb-2012

Coordinates:
N 13*09'46.2"
E 123*44'22.8

Distance: 340.9 KM
Release Time: 7:00am

Weather at Release Site: Fair Weather

GOD Bless and Good Luck to all the entries!

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Fw: [<>PANKHI nd ARMY FAN CLUB<>] http://www.facebook.com/pages/Valuable-Loft/272708...

Glenn West — 2012-02-13T06:03:32Z

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From: Arif Khan
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Arif Khan posted in <>PANKHI nd ARMY FAN CLUB<>.
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Valuable-Loft/272708149445095
Valuable Loft
Success depends on two things- Vision: Seeing the invisible & Mission: Doing the impossible...

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Fw: [Pigeon group chat, live with others] this is my new system for protection againest...

Glenn West — 2012-02-12T22:01:02Z

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From: Phil Masters
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Phil Masters 3:51pm Feb 12
this is my new system for protection againest peregrines they are tht strong it actully double protection i did try it on the hens but sometimes they still got caught so tried it on my cocks (birds) and i now have 100% protection

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Fw: [Bird Keepers Forum] so everyone who went newark 2day did u get the...

Glenn West — 2012-02-12T21:59:52Z

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Subject: [Bird Keepers Forum] so everyone who went newark 2day did u get the...

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Phil Edwards 4:31pm Feb 12
so everyone who went newark 2day did u get the birds u wanted i got my siskin hen i wanted 15 quid, and a nice pair of red eyed dimorphic opals im :) now got some hand rearing food off priors pets as well (hagans tropican)just in case a nestling needs a helping hand, i got a bag of wild seed off priors as well was expensive the seed was but its quaulity seed was a good mornings outing..

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Fw: [P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO] Mount-Sea One Loft Race

Glenn West — 2012-02-12T01:13:06Z

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From: Aaron Alday Claudio
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Subject: [P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO] Mount-Sea One Loft Race

Aaron Alday Claudio posted in P.R.P.C. ORIENTAL MINDORO.
Aaron Alday Claudio 8:11pm Feb 11
Mount-Sea One Loft Race
2011 Series Legaspi Race (Lap 1)
12-Feb-2012
Status: On-Hold Due to Bad Weather

Mount-Sea One Loft Truck is safely housed (under a roofed parking/shelter) in a resort near the release site. The truck has provision of feeds good for 2 days.

Our primary concern is always our athletes welfare and safety. We will advise further when the release has been made.

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Fw: [PML PIGEONRING Racing Pigeons] Understanding Herpes Virus in Pigeons

Glenn West — 2012-02-11T07:39:06Z

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Subject: [PML PIGEONRING Racing Pigeons] Understanding Herpes Virus in Pigeons

Harold Samuels posted in PML PIGEONRING Racing Pigeons.
Harold Samuels 7:40pm Feb 10
Understanding Herpes Virus in Pigeons

Dave Rupiper DVM
Kenneth T. Briggs DVM, PhD

Herpes virus, also known as Infectious Catarrh, is a a contagious, persistent virus causing respiratory and neurologic disease in pigeons. In its breadth of clinical signs, occasional virulence and persistence in carrier birds, Herpes infections of pigeons somewhat resembles diseases caused by similar Herpes species in other domestic animals. (Fortunately, Herpes infections are very specific to their natural hosts -- we can't infect our birds with our varieties, nor can we contract the pigeon forms!) Birds having Herpes infections are often concurrently infected with Mycoplasma, Chlamydia (Psittacosis/Ornithosis) and bacteria.1 As a result, signs of disease may not always be straightforward. Herpes virus was first identified in pigeons in the U.S. In 1945 and in other countries during the next 40 years.2 Multiple types of Herpes virus affect other species such as raptors, waterfowl, psittacines and poultry.2,3

Herpes virus in pigeons may be of two or three different forms. The most common form, Pigeon Herpes Virus (PHV), may cause mild respiratory and liver diseases. Two strains of PHV have been isolated, mild and severe PHV.4

The second form, Pigeon Herpes Encephalomyelitis Virus (PHEV), may cause paralysis, torticollis (twisted necks and rolling) and other neurologic signs without causing respiratory signs, making it difficult to distinguish between PHEV and Paramyxovirus. Fortunately, PHEV has not been reported to be a significant problem in the U.S. But may be observed in birds imported from the Middle East.

The third reported form of PHV causes inflammation of the cloaca and vent but the distinctiveness of this form has not been confirmed.2

Etiology (Cause) and Transmission: Herpes virus belongs to a group of DNA viruses known as the Herpeviridae which includes the viruses which cause Marek's Disease of poultry, Duck Plague, psittacine Pacheco's disease, and Infectious Laryngotracheitis of chickens.5 PHV is usually passed from affected adults to squabs during feeding. It can be transmitted by nasal discharge as well as in saliva, feces and urine. In most flocks, PHV is already present but birds only manifest signs if the strain is severe, as with PHEV, or the birds are stressed by management problems and concurrent diseases.

Signs: PHV causes upper respiratory signs. These include reddening of the eye, cere and lids, nasal discharges, graying and filming of the mouth and oral cavity, and occasionally open-mouthed breathing. These respiratory signs and discharges are referred to as "catarrh." Other symptoms include fluffed posture, depression, diarrhea, weakness during flight and anorexia.

PHEV causes neurological signs such as paresis ( muscle weakness), paralysis, circling, seizures and twisted necks. PHEV is also much more severe than PHV and may result in rapid and high mortality within a loft.

Diagnosis: The classic diphtheritic (filmy slime in the mouth) upper respiratory signs are fairly diagnostic for PHV but may be confused with the "Ornithose Complex" involving concurrent infections of Mycoplasma and Chlamydia. Diagnosis is most easily achieved via necropsy (autopsy) of an affected bird. Special staining of the spleen and liver allows a pathologist to identify special inclusions within the cells which are called "intranuclear inclusion bodies" or "INI bodies." The liver and spleen often have tissues damaged with PHV.

Treatment: There is no cure for the disease and only through improved management can we hope to achieve control.6 Treatment with a drug called acyclovir may help control severe signs but the disease often returns if the medication is discontinued. It is best to allow Herpes virus to run its course and let the birds develop a natural immunity. Passive immunity (antibodies are transferred from parents to squabs in "crop milk") protects the young until weaned. Isolation of obviously affected birds is recommended since they are often infected with other contagious diseases as well.

Prevention: Killed and live virus vaccines have been formulated, but these only prevent shedding and dissemination of the virus from affected birds. Vaccines do not prevent pigeons from being carriers of Herpes virus.2,5 Natural infection of mild strains with subsequent immunity is still the best method to protect a flock from virulent strains of PHV.2

Like so many diseases of our birds, prevention and treatment often depend on cleanliness, good husbandry, good nutrition and preventing overcrowding. The days of keeping six inches of dry litter on the loft floor to prevent disease are gone, just as using NFZ to control canker and Paratyphoid is obsolete. Intense competition at shows, performance flying of young birds and increased production of squabs are placing more demands on the fancier in order to still be competitive. The key to success is educating ourselves about the disease process and by progressive management of our lofts.

References
1. Schrag L: Healthy Pigeons, 6th English Revised Ed, Hengersberg, W Germany, Schober Verlags-GmbH, 1989, PP 48-53.
2. Tudor DC: Pigeon Health and Disease, Ames, IA, IA St Univ Press, 1991, pp 34-38.
3. Fraser CM (Ed): Part VI, Diseases of Poultry. in Merck Veterinary Manual 6th Ed, Rahway, NJ, Merck & Co., Inc., 1986, p 1272.
4. Kaleta EF: A Selection of Disease Syndromes in Pigeons. Proc 1st Conf European Comm AAV, 1991, pp 77-81.
5. Dorrestein GM: Viral Infections in Racing Pigeons. Proc AAV, 1991, pp 244- 257.
6. Marshall R: Management of Pigeon Diseases. Proc AAV, 1990, pp 122-135.

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Fw: [pigeons india] MY MOST CONTROVERSIAL ARTICLE ON PIGEON KEEPING.

Glenn West — 2012-02-10T20:34:01Z

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From: Zaheer Minhas
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:46 PM
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Subject: [pigeons india] MY MOST CONTROVERSIAL ARTICLE ON PIGEON KEEPING.

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Zaheer Minhas 12:46pm Feb 10
MY MOST CONTROVERSIAL ARTICLE ON PIGEON KEEPING.

Re: Bird-keeping is full time business or not

Thanks all for sharing your experiences. Yes i agree with those who said this is not full time business, it can be part time. I donâ€™t think it is full time business because i have not seen many who have developed themselves to top positions( like they have developed their assets, purchase car, or shown any tremendous growth by doing only due to this business.) If there are any you can see that 50% or more have shown tremendous growth in this business.

There can be different types of businesses in bird keeping, some are only purchasing and selling , some are breeding birds and sells their young ones, some are brokers and get birds from one fancier and sells to others, some are importing birds and sells them, some are doing all the above mentioned techniques.

When we talk about any business we must consider that after few years of hard work one should develop his assets, shown growth, for example a fancier who was in breeding birds and was previously on cycle and establish his business and converted into car. Yes he can earn to live on daily basis. But can not develop assets or growth in business, which other business are. Those who are doing jobs can do this as part time business.

Why this is not full time business my observations are as under, (you can disagree with me on all or any point I mentioned below)

1- Ya hawai rizk ha (Easy come easy go)
2- Many fanciers do agree with me that we earn a lot in this business but donâ€™t know where all the money has gone.
3- Need lot of space
4- The prices of parrots have gone high as compare to few year back.
5- Sudden decrease in prices due to ban on exports or bird flu ( few year back the prices have gone down of such limit that many have left this business or reduce their birds to minimum levels.)
6- Lack of management, especially poor keeping.
7- Poor cages.
8- Donâ€™t have complete knowledge about keeping, breeding, diseases, feed,
9- You have to fights with different odds, like extreme weathers, rainy season,
10- Prices of certain breeds are fluctuating so much.
11- Expensive breeds are normally slow breeders
12- Lack of interest after some time.
13- Following other breeders without knowing your own limitations.
14- Lack of patience
15- Changing of breeds very rapidly,
16- Following to keep expensive breeds only.
17- The role of shop keeper could not be eliminated, and he still exploited many on purchasing of birds.
18- Clubs are not holding bird shows on regular basis.
19- Most of the fanciers donâ€™t have holding powers and frustrated when their birds donâ€™t sell early.

These are my observations, difference of opinions and your suggestions/advices are always welcome.

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Fw: [pigeons india] How to become successful breeder-Part 11

Glenn West — 2012-02-10T20:33:31Z

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From: Zaheer Minhas
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Subject: [pigeons india] How to become successful breeder-Part 11

Zaheer Minhas posted in pigeons india.
Zaheer Minhas 12:55pm Feb 10
How to become successful breeder-Part 11
Dear all,
few points which i missed in my last suggestions are now add here. Before staring to add my new points, i wish to share few things with young bird keeprs. You people are very lucky, why you have the best apportunity to get quality birds, breeds, cages, nest bowl, vitimins, surgical sexing technqiues, interact with other breeders, have access to internet, books. We dont have such facilities in the past, i will write an artilce on my breeding parrots when i first kept budgerigars. Any way world is open for you, open your minds, think out of box, try new techniques, be positive in bird keeping, share your knolwdge with others, dont hide secrets of breding birds, dont be ashamed to ask questions, dont get jelous with fellow breeders, dont expect from any one, help others. It is vey difficut to change yourself, but try to be nice with young bird keepers. Wish you good luck all, and last but not least, i have learnt from my experience KEEP AS MANY BIRDS AS YOU CARE PROPERLY. CHOOSE ONE BREED , STICK TO IT, SPECILIZE IN, MAKE A NAME IN THIS WORLD, GODD BLESS YOU ALL.

i am sorry for any spelling mistake or if standard of writing english is not upto the mark.

1- BUY YOUNG ONES

when u start your hobby always try to get young ones for breeding purpose, develop them in your own environment, they will settle down in your environment, used to the feed, they will give you good results for years to come. I want to share an article published in Australia, they have interviewed different breeders of finches and found those successful who have developed their own strain and keep them for future breeds. We normally sell the young ones of our first breed, please keep those for your future breeding, they will give you maximum breeding results.

2- HELP OTHER FELLOW BREEDERS[B]

Help juniors, help other fellow breeders, by sharing your knowledge with others will benefit from God, keep your expectations with others at minimum level. Make frineds but dont make business partnerships, beacuse i have seen lot of partners separated at the end. Dont hide your breeding secrets with others, talk your failures with others, sharing of knolwdge of feed, breed, cage, medicines with fellow breeders is very important.

3- ROUTINE CHECKS

Daily visit your birds , stay at every cage for some time, be observant, use common sesne, see your pairs of birds is happy or sitting fluffed up in the aviary. Use repated words when you enter in your aviary, birds do recognize your voice, they will welcome u,

4- DONT GET JELOUS WITH OTHERS

Enjoy birdkeeping as a hobby but dont get jelous with other fellow breeders if they are very good breeders, try to learn from them, rather back biting. You cannot become top breeder of every breed, some breeds suits you some are not, jelousy destroy your character. Be happy to share with others.

5- NO SECOND DAY

I have lost so many birds in the past that i saw yesterday they were ill or have smytoms of illness, that i will check tomorrow, believe me tomorrow never comes, PAY YOUR UTMOST ATTENTION TO YOUR ILL BIRDS IMMEDIATELY. dONT WAIT TOMORRW, DO TODAY.

6- LAZINESS

again, I have lost many birds not visiting on daily basis, did not check their water and feed pots, did you check their nest box, did not check their young ones, did not pay attention to their abnormal behaviours, try to routine check your birds on the same time. Dont get sluggish that i will check my bird tomorrow. again tomorrow never comes in bird keeping.

7- COMMON SENSE

I still not achieve my common sense in many parts, after getting lot of experince i have observed that applying some basic changes we can do wonders in bird keeping.

8- LEARN NEW TECHNIQUES

sorry to say that we firmly believe what we have learned every thing from our seniors, try to learn new things, apply them, read them, share them. Bird keeping has changed, if i comapre my knolwedge with new breeders, they have more than me, they have lot of apporunity to learn which we could not when i was young. I am not saying that senior breedrs(including me) dont have knowledge, but if it is not updated it need to be updated. I salute internet for giving me apportunity to learn from others. Read books, visit fellow breeders, discuss them, dont be ashmed to get knowiedge from others, said i did this mistake who can i rectify it, put posotive attitutde in birdkeeping. stop thinking negative.

I HAVE ONE DESIRE WHICH I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, I WISH TO HAVE ONE OF THE BEST ZOO IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, NOW I THINK WE NEED TO CONSERVE WILDLIFE THROUGH CAPTIVE BREEDING OF BIRDS. AND WHEN I DIE , PEOPLE REMEMBE ME AS A "GOOD BREEDER". GOD BLESS ALL

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Fw: [Pigeon group chat, live with others] hi everyone anyone wants to buy a pair of karel...

Glenn West — 2012-02-10T14:13:45Z

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Simon Rowland 8:41am Feb 10
hi everyone anyone wants to buy a pair of karel buck of dircts 2009 breed cot fed cards for the cock to open to offers

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Fw: [Pigeon lovers paradise] How to become a successful breeder

Glenn West — 2012-02-10T13:35:31Z

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Zaheer Minhas 12:43am Feb 10
How to become a successful breeder

These are my own breeding expereinces, every point is debatable and discussable. your comments and suggestions are always welcome. These are applicable if you are a parrot breeder, ground bird, fancy pigeons, flying pigeons, finches or doves.

for me the most important point in a breeder should be
(1) PATIENCE. FOR ME THIS IS THE NO 1 QUALITY IN A GOOD BREEDER
When i goes back 25 years ago, i did many mistakes, repeat them many time. then i realised that patinece is the key to every problem. First decide one breed, stick to it and try to get good results and then switch over to another breed. Be patinet in your selection, cage, breed, dont follow others, or what is hot to sell, see what you can keep and breed.
(2) MANAGEMENT.
For me this is 2nd very important, we spent one lac on bird but dont spend good money on cage, try to built cage then buy bird, we buy bird first and then try to purchase cage after wards.
(3) DAILY VISIT
Please read my words so many times and please visit your birds on daily basis, i repeat daily basis. when we are new in birdkeeping we are excited and pay daily visits, after some time when we lost interest or purchase some new mutations we neglect the first one and there start the disaster. I again repeat "never neglect any of your breeder pair and watch them by standing few minutes in front of their cage and see their activities. We had many disasters beacuse we start neglecting or breeding pairs.
(4) KEEP FEW BIRDS
THIS POINT I WISH TO WRITE IN CAP LETTER. MY OWN EXPEREINCE IS THAT I GOT BEST RESULTS FROM 10 PAIRS BUT COULD NOT GET THE SAME FROM 100 PAIRS. THE ANSWER IS IN THIS SENTENCE.
(5) NEVER FOLLOW OTHERS
I mean if you cannot afford to buy Macaw, dont follow others, not every breed suits to every breeder. Stick to few breeds and specalise in them.
(6) TRY TO LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES
This is also very important point in a good breeder, try to learn from your previous mistakes and dont repeat them.
(7) TRY TO LEARN NEW THINGS
Thanks to internet, when i goes back to 25 years ago, when i was new, their was no books avabialbe, no senior breeder give hints, no internet, no mobile, communciation was very slow , but the new breeds are lucky that they have every apportunity to get new ideas, cages, breeds and can learn from net and breeders. Try to interct with breeders, books are only source of information but visiting a breeder and see his breeding techniques you will learn a lot. again open your mind and do out of box.
(8) LUCK
Well this point is debatable but i give 50% point to luck, you try every thing, best cage, best bird, best feed but you may lost the male or female at the start of breeding season. I wish every reader do comment on this point.
(9) EXPECTATIONS
Dont expect with fellow breeders that i help so and so when he need me and when i need him he was not there. Be open to healthy critisim, be open to discussion, be open to help others but dont expect any favour from him. although many would not agree with me, but one day they will realize that i was right.

These above mentioned are few point which i learn from making so many mistakes, errors, lost so many birds, loosing many frineds, making many new, these all poinsts are debatable and need more to explore.

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Fw: [Pigeon chat] I MAKE TO MEASURE ALL PET HOUSING

Glenn West — 2012-02-10T13:26:41Z

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Glenn West — 2012-02-10T05:25:02Z

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Zaheer Minhas 11:09pm Feb 9
How to become a successful breeder

These are my own breeding expereinces, every point is debatable and discussable. your comments and suggestions are always welcome. These are applicable if you are a parrot breeder, ground bird, fancy pigeons, flying pigeons, finches or doves.

for me the most important point in a breeder should be
(1) PATIENCE. FOR ME THIS IS THE NO 1 QUALITY IN A GOOD BREEDER
When i goes back 25 years ago, i did many mistakes, repeat them many time. then i realised that patinece is the key to every problem. First decide one breed, stick to it and try to get good results and then switch over to another breed. Be patinet in your selection, cage, breed, dont follow others, or what is hot to sell, see what you can keep and breed.
(2) MANAGEMENT.
For me this is 2nd very important, we spent one lac on bird but dont spend good money on cage, try to built cage then buy bird, we buy bird first and then try to purchase cage after wards.
(3) DAILY VISIT
Please read my words so many times and please visit your birds on daily basis, i repeat daily basis. when we are new in birdkeeping we are excited and pay daily visits, after some time when we lost interest or purchase some new mutations we neglect the first one and there start the disaster. I again repeat "never neglect any of your breeder pair and watch them by standing few minutes in front of their cage and see their activities. We had many disasters beacuse we start neglecting or breeding pairs.
(4) KEEP FEW BIRDS
THIS POINT I WISH TO WRITE IN CAP LETTER. MY OWN EXPEREINCE IS THAT I GOT BEST RESULTS FROM 10 PAIRS BUT COULD NOT GET THE SAME FROM 100 PAIRS. THE ANSWER IS IN THIS SENTENCE.
(5) NEVER FOLLOW OTHERS
I mean if you cannot afford to buy Macaw, dont follow others, not every breed suits to every breeder. Stick to few breeds and specalise in them.
(6) TRY TO LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES
This is also very important point in a good breeder, try to learn from your previous mistakes and dont repeat them.
(7) TRY TO LEARN NEW THINGS
Thanks to internet, when i goes back to 25 years ago, when i was new, their was no books avabialbe, no senior breeder give hints, no internet, no mobile, communciation was very slow , but the new breeds are lucky that they have every apportunity to get new ideas, cages, breeds and can learn from net and breeders. Try to interct with breeders, books are only source of information but visiting a breeder and see his breeding techniques you will learn a lot. again open your mind and do out of box.
(8) LUCK
Well this point is debatable but i give 50% point to luck, you try every thing, best cage, best bird, best feed but you may lost the male or female at the start of breeding season. I wish every reader do comment on this point.
(9) EXPECTATIONS
Dont expect with fellow breeders that i help so and so when he need me and when i need him he was not there. Be open to healthy critisim, be open to discussion, be open to help others but dont expect any favour from him. although many would not agree with me, but one day they will realize that i was right.

These above mentioned are few point which i learn from making so many mistakes, errors, lost so many birds, loosing many frineds, making many new, these all poinsts are debatable and need more to explore.

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Phil Edwards 10:14am Feb 9
if anyone fancies going newark iv got an early ticket going 7am entrance provided they can pick me up i live in meir/ stoke, so if anyone wants get some decent birds let me no this and stafford will prob be your last chance get the birds u want b4 breeding season starts,the early bird gets the worm is my motto in this case bird lol

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Christoph Spieker 11:36am Feb 8
Hello, I need two rings of 2012 with Belgium Ring cards, you must start with a four (I biezte there for two rings of 2012 with Germany as a ring card can help me?

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Help!! The wings of my koshuk hen became this morning very flimsy!! Yesterday she's flew like highfliers, and today cannot only jumped!!! Please brothers help me..

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DrBoney Pets 7:37am Feb 8
Reminder : Never give grit,when birds are treated with tetracycline,bcoz the calcium in the grit binds to tetracycline..and reduces its availability in the body :)

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